WarriorKing
09-09-2007, 01:40 PM
Community Purists VS Info Marketers
To me there's a clear cut division with the teachers in this community -- "Pickup Purists" and "Info Marketers".
Have I got your attention?? Good.
Alright, so first up here's how I personally split up the two groups in my head.
COMMUNITY PURISTS:
1-In this for love of the art, or love of seeing how the art changes people's lives for the better.
2-Speaks only in terms of what's he's personally field tested and he knows gets results.
3-Spends his time getting better and better at picking up girls and teaching other guys how to do it.
4-Takes his time creating products as he considers their quality to be a reflection of who he is as a person.
5-Ultimate goal is mastery with women and the self.
......and
INFO MARKETERS:
1-In this to capitalize on a trend that the real players have built up as a way of making money.
2-Takes the theories he's read from the real players and mixes and mashes it into some sort of incoherent mess, or just invents theories in his basement -- and doesn't care if 1000s of guys will be out there embarrassing themselves using his unfieldtested garbage.
3-Spends the majority of his time trying to figure out new ways of marketing or how to create "scarcity" or "hype" for his products.
4-Pumps out products like there's no tommorow. Any magic-pill sounding angle that you can think of, he's probably already got a product for it.
5-Ultimate goal is mastery over the perceptions and wallets of other men.
OK so I'm going to break down how this whole thing plays out.
Basically you've just a small handful of guys in this community that are like hardcore into this stuff.
These are the guys who are just out there all the time banging the guns.
I'm talking about the players who on a Friday night love being out at a club clowning around with their friends and messing around with the girls.
Some of these guys do it for ego, some of them do it to get laid, and some of them do it purely for the sake of professionalism and being able to walk their own talk.
To me all of that's besides the point -- AT LEAST THEY'RE FOR REAL.
So for example, if I have a new realization about something there's maybe a FEW of the well-known guys out there who I can call up and who'll be enthusiastic to talk about it.
That's because they love this stuff. It's a personal hobby and talking about women and self-mastery on a high level is just something that they're usually fascinated in.
Of course, the real experienced guys have a sort of different way about talking about this stuff. That's because when you've been in it for a long time, directly talking about "picking up girls" can be counter-productive in that it takes away from the naturalness of it.
The way you talk starts to be more often in terms of personal strength and mastery over the self and clowning around and just LOVING life. This stuff instantly translates when you're out there meeting women, so the way it's spoken about it gets to be on a sort of higher level, so to speak.
Point being, they've got a love and respect for the authenticity and realness of this art.
On the other hand there's the other 95% of this community -- the "Info Marketers".
These are the guys who proudly boast about writing their books out in two weeks, outsourcing or copycatting all their content, overpacking in way too many students on their live programs, etc etc...
They don't really have an interest in getting good with women or getting better at teaching it, but rather, they're super interested in artificially inflating their perceived value by manufacturing magic-pills and scarcity and hype.
Believe it or not, there's actually an entire community of "info marketers" that's bigger and far more lucrative than the dating community, where guys are taught principles like...:
-Anybody can be a guru on any topic!! Even your Uncle Bob who hasn't left his house in six years!!
-You can "outsource" everything. You can even have a ghostwriter write up your book!!
-Talent is nothing!! Marketing is everything!!
-Any price can be justified as long as you explain the value!! If you want to charge 50k for a product, you just tap into people's greed-glands and explain how it's worth it, and you'll get your price!!
So in the same way that you guys in this community are taught principles like "Go approach lots of women", the people in the info-marketing community are taught brilliant ideas like "Go read up on x,y,z dating company, repackage the ideas out of their products and sell it."
I remember listening to a clip of one of their seminars and there was a special guest who spoke about how he used to be a hard working doctor until he learned to market himself at 60K per session to dying patients on the premise that he could "cure any disease".
Apparently a terminally ill patient is the perfect client because they're willing to mortage all their possessions since they'll have no use for them if they don't continue to live.
He now works only 5 hours a week, and by exploiting the massive desperation of his dying clients he now gets paid 10X more than an average doctor to do the exact same job.
The whole crowd was clapping like he was a real hero........ Nice.
IMO these guys live a truly pathetic existence. They have no real value to offer to the world, so they base their identity instead on their ability to create artificial hype.
The funny thing is that there's never a free lunch.......
It might SOUND like these chodes are living it up, but if you ever meet them in real life they're invariably carrying around all sorts of negative, self-hating energy in their posture and voice.
They're usually fat and out of shape as an unconscious manifestation of their self-loathing.
There's a sense of true pride that you get when you know that you're offering the best of yourself to the world, and these people will NEVER experience it.
They'll hate on the guys who really contribute to the world, rationalizing that they're suckers or whatever -- because real contributers represent everything that they can never be.
I personally have a great deal of respect for a few of the marketers out there because they have the same passion for what they do as I do.
I'm friends with a few of them and there are others whose work I admire.
Marketing, IMO, can be a very cool field and there's a lot of guys at the cutting edge of it who are doing very cool things.
It's just that just like in our community, the same sets of ideas that can help a truly decent guy to get better at presenting himself to prospective women can also be used by massive weirdos to temporarily get their foot in the door.
To me, marketing should be something you look into as a means to the end of getting people who really need something to act in their own best interests -- not as a way of tapping into an existing movement that was created by people who really care about it and dilluting it with bullshit.
Anyway, these dudes pretty much view our community as the new penis pills -- their latest scam.
As an end-user you've got to recognize Info Marketers as being totally ridiculous, and basically just ignore them.
How do you tell what's real and what's fake??
It always comes down to the same thing...... COMMON SENSE.
To me there's a clear cut division with the teachers in this community -- "Pickup Purists" and "Info Marketers".
Have I got your attention?? Good.
Alright, so first up here's how I personally split up the two groups in my head.
COMMUNITY PURISTS:
1-In this for love of the art, or love of seeing how the art changes people's lives for the better.
2-Speaks only in terms of what's he's personally field tested and he knows gets results.
3-Spends his time getting better and better at picking up girls and teaching other guys how to do it.
4-Takes his time creating products as he considers their quality to be a reflection of who he is as a person.
5-Ultimate goal is mastery with women and the self.
......and
INFO MARKETERS:
1-In this to capitalize on a trend that the real players have built up as a way of making money.
2-Takes the theories he's read from the real players and mixes and mashes it into some sort of incoherent mess, or just invents theories in his basement -- and doesn't care if 1000s of guys will be out there embarrassing themselves using his unfieldtested garbage.
3-Spends the majority of his time trying to figure out new ways of marketing or how to create "scarcity" or "hype" for his products.
4-Pumps out products like there's no tommorow. Any magic-pill sounding angle that you can think of, he's probably already got a product for it.
5-Ultimate goal is mastery over the perceptions and wallets of other men.
OK so I'm going to break down how this whole thing plays out.
Basically you've just a small handful of guys in this community that are like hardcore into this stuff.
These are the guys who are just out there all the time banging the guns.
I'm talking about the players who on a Friday night love being out at a club clowning around with their friends and messing around with the girls.
Some of these guys do it for ego, some of them do it to get laid, and some of them do it purely for the sake of professionalism and being able to walk their own talk.
To me all of that's besides the point -- AT LEAST THEY'RE FOR REAL.
So for example, if I have a new realization about something there's maybe a FEW of the well-known guys out there who I can call up and who'll be enthusiastic to talk about it.
That's because they love this stuff. It's a personal hobby and talking about women and self-mastery on a high level is just something that they're usually fascinated in.
Of course, the real experienced guys have a sort of different way about talking about this stuff. That's because when you've been in it for a long time, directly talking about "picking up girls" can be counter-productive in that it takes away from the naturalness of it.
The way you talk starts to be more often in terms of personal strength and mastery over the self and clowning around and just LOVING life. This stuff instantly translates when you're out there meeting women, so the way it's spoken about it gets to be on a sort of higher level, so to speak.
Point being, they've got a love and respect for the authenticity and realness of this art.
On the other hand there's the other 95% of this community -- the "Info Marketers".
These are the guys who proudly boast about writing their books out in two weeks, outsourcing or copycatting all their content, overpacking in way too many students on their live programs, etc etc...
They don't really have an interest in getting good with women or getting better at teaching it, but rather, they're super interested in artificially inflating their perceived value by manufacturing magic-pills and scarcity and hype.
Believe it or not, there's actually an entire community of "info marketers" that's bigger and far more lucrative than the dating community, where guys are taught principles like...:
-Anybody can be a guru on any topic!! Even your Uncle Bob who hasn't left his house in six years!!
-You can "outsource" everything. You can even have a ghostwriter write up your book!!
-Talent is nothing!! Marketing is everything!!
-Any price can be justified as long as you explain the value!! If you want to charge 50k for a product, you just tap into people's greed-glands and explain how it's worth it, and you'll get your price!!
So in the same way that you guys in this community are taught principles like "Go approach lots of women", the people in the info-marketing community are taught brilliant ideas like "Go read up on x,y,z dating company, repackage the ideas out of their products and sell it."
I remember listening to a clip of one of their seminars and there was a special guest who spoke about how he used to be a hard working doctor until he learned to market himself at 60K per session to dying patients on the premise that he could "cure any disease".
Apparently a terminally ill patient is the perfect client because they're willing to mortage all their possessions since they'll have no use for them if they don't continue to live.
He now works only 5 hours a week, and by exploiting the massive desperation of his dying clients he now gets paid 10X more than an average doctor to do the exact same job.
The whole crowd was clapping like he was a real hero........ Nice.
IMO these guys live a truly pathetic existence. They have no real value to offer to the world, so they base their identity instead on their ability to create artificial hype.
The funny thing is that there's never a free lunch.......
It might SOUND like these chodes are living it up, but if you ever meet them in real life they're invariably carrying around all sorts of negative, self-hating energy in their posture and voice.
They're usually fat and out of shape as an unconscious manifestation of their self-loathing.
There's a sense of true pride that you get when you know that you're offering the best of yourself to the world, and these people will NEVER experience it.
They'll hate on the guys who really contribute to the world, rationalizing that they're suckers or whatever -- because real contributers represent everything that they can never be.
I personally have a great deal of respect for a few of the marketers out there because they have the same passion for what they do as I do.
I'm friends with a few of them and there are others whose work I admire.
Marketing, IMO, can be a very cool field and there's a lot of guys at the cutting edge of it who are doing very cool things.
It's just that just like in our community, the same sets of ideas that can help a truly decent guy to get better at presenting himself to prospective women can also be used by massive weirdos to temporarily get their foot in the door.
To me, marketing should be something you look into as a means to the end of getting people who really need something to act in their own best interests -- not as a way of tapping into an existing movement that was created by people who really care about it and dilluting it with bullshit.
Anyway, these dudes pretty much view our community as the new penis pills -- their latest scam.
As an end-user you've got to recognize Info Marketers as being totally ridiculous, and basically just ignore them.
How do you tell what's real and what's fake??
It always comes down to the same thing...... COMMON SENSE.