4hr work week is just the beginning

[turk]

I had this post in another thread, I thought it might serve well here.

I assume there must be others like me who don't think winning a kick-boxing championship on technicality is same as becoming a champion.
Just as the idea of 4 hr work week is not just to travel.

I believe we have a moral obligation to our creator (what ever you call her)
to be all we can be.
I don't mean that in a mediocre way of paying your bills on time or having a nice 4000 sq' home, sending your kids to nice school all you can be, although that is a start.

I mean all we can be like Bill Gates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates), Warren Buffet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Buffett), Pierre Omidyar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Omidyar)

Being successful means you are rich financially, physically and spiritually and not one of them is more noble than the other 2.
It's a 3 legged stool.

Money is an energy just like food. If we're hungry(broke) all we think about is Money (food) once we have enough, then we can start giving away. You can't give away $60 Billion like Bill Gates & Warren Buffet, if you don't have it.

If you are not healthy, and I mean perfect functioning body no matter how much you have in the bank you can't be happy.

If you are not connected to a higher power and don't have an intimate relationship with your source your soul will eventually die, and your body will end up doped-up, drugged-out searching for answers in bottles.

Let's start firing ideas and testing and improving our aim as we go, but keep moving, and demand massive results from ourselves.

I think once you quit your job, and start doing what you want instead of what you think you have to do, you will notice you're working harder and longer.
And that's what the humanity needs.

Hard working happy, healthy leaders who lead by example.

Keep remembering 4 hr. work week is another muse for Tim. and hopefully inspiration for the rest of us.
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[final_id]

Your point is ... what? I'm glad you're excited about the book, but what was it you were trying to communicate?

I warn against using Bill Gates and those others as personal models. The rags-to-riches myths which are wrapped around most of the American "business heroes" (Carnegie, Gates, Buffet, etc.) are actually laced with falsehoods. Gates' family founded the first bank in Seattle; his mother was on IBM's board. Think he maybe got a little bit of a leg up? His first seven businesses (six? can't remember) failed to the tune of about a million bucks each. The rest of us would have had to wait out years of bankruptcy and receivership before having the risk-friendly credit to try again. He just got mommy and daddy to write a check. Not that he didn't work hard -- but hundreds of other people worked like hell at the beginning of the computer industry, slept under their desks, and then had to get a boring cubicle job because their start-up failed, and for no reason other than bad luck of the draw.

Don't pin too much on the myths. They're there for a reason -- to make you want to work harder for less reward. Carrot dangling on stick ...

[jetpacklife]

That's a good point. Who are everyone's role models and why did you choose them? I think Tim's book does so well is because he makes himself into a very interesting role model. I certainly don't like the mega billionaires as role models. I think they just go greedy wanting to control everything. Why didn't they just stop when they go a few million or billion to spare?

[Dons]

Actually I got a kick out of some of what Turk wrote; and while I didn't see him/her say the successes of Gates, Buffet, or Omidyar were rags to riches stories, I think it has become a common cliche for people to use these folks as examples of the extremely wealthy.

Quote:
"Being successful means you are rich financially, physically and spiritually and not one of them is more noble than the other 2.
It's a 3 legged stool."

I have to agree with that one. During my 59 years on this planet I've known several people whose lives fell apart as they lost one the the legs to their "3 legged stool."

Quote:
"I think once you quit your job, and start doing what you want instead of what you think you have to do, you will notice you're working harder and longer. And that's what the humanity needs."

Yes and no. Working harder is not what is needed. I've been self employed for more than 40 years - started my first two little businesses when I was a teenager and have always had a business of my own going - even on the side while I worked for the college.

see this http://www.cincinnatisbest.com/about%20us.html

It's very important to do what you love, but by working too hard at it, what you love becomes a job...a chore...been there - done that. And to stop being the overworked self-employed is the point of Michael Gerber's "The Emyth" and of Robert Kiyosaki's books.

To work your muse four hours a week might be wonderul! Especially if you have several muses you love and want time to enjoy them all.

In 1991 I started publishing "how to" material to other people in my industry, but have done it the hard way with direct mail and magazine advertising. It's time to take that to the internet and branch it out to other businesses because the books and articles I've written will apply to many other businesses.

To do that and cut back time in the studio will let me enjoy more time at our ski home in Park City...a house catty-cornered across the street from The Canyons.

But this one surprised me...quote:
"If you are not connected to a higher power and don't have an intimate relationship with your source your soul will eventually die, and your body will end up doped-up, drugged-out searching for answers in bottles."

Huh? Only a small percentage of the population has an affinty towards addiction. Not everyone will turn to alcohol and/or drugs when they have problems. I wonder if Turk knows my friend Bill Wilson.

Don

[Hostel_Takeover]

Winning anything on a technicality makes you technically...the winner.
The experience wasn't to be on par with the likes of Lennox Lewis or Tiger Woods as far as champions go, but it wasn't set out to be.
Successes, not all, are largely measured by W's & L's, no matter how you got there. Tim showed that through previous experience, paying attention to detail and most importantly the decision to win, that a person can succeed no matter the obstacle.
The best part of the book is the fact it asks the reader to pick what their dreamlife is and gives them multiple ways to get there.
Stay in a mood of curiosity & learning, not judgemental of yourself or others. You may be blocking a bigger truth if you are blinded by learned conviction.

[Marcie]

"If you are not connected to a higher power and don't have an intimate relationship with your source your soul will eventually die, and your body will end up doped-up, drugged-out searching for answers in bottles."

Huh? Only a small percentage of the population has an affinty towards addiction. Not everyone will turn to alcohol and/or drugs when they have problems. I wonder if Turk knows my friend Bill Wilson.

Don

Hm, I have to disagree about "a small percentage of the population" - maybe not just with drugs/alcohol, but people get addicted to all kinds of things that can become unhealthy - gambling, sex, another person, sugar, etc...just saying that I think addictions are fairly common...

[Dons]

While this is totally off topic, you may be right about that Marcie. I forgot about the other possible addicitons.

The government published some statistic that about 10% of the population have a tendency toward alcohol and drug addiction, and I've read about a private study that says it might be as high as one person in 7 (14%). And when I think of all the 12 organizations out there the number of "addicted" to something other than just alcohol or other drugs is quite a bit higher.

As far as "work/play" goes, I am sure Tim Ferriss has the solution. Delegate, delegate, delegate. Outsource is best. I acquired my first employee in 1972 and have had employees ever since. It lets me get away...escape when I want to.

I have outsourced the photolab processes since the beginning.

Over the years my wife and I have also purchased rental real estate and done rehabbing, but I can never remember which end of a hammer to hold. Do you hold the metal part or the wooden part? That is why we use a general contractor to do the rehab work, and once the property is ready to rent, we use one of two property mangement companies to handle the rentals. I have never met most of our tenants.

Again it's delegate and outsource.

Tim seems to have taken this concept to a new height and is encouraging us to do likewise.

Don

BTW I gave a copy of Tim's book to one of my employees. Bad idea. He is now becoming a non-employee wanting to do his own thing. Boo hoo!

[turk]

I enjoy nothing better than intelligent exchange of ideas.
Dons, although I don't know Bill personally, I admire his work and often share his wisdom in my talks.

As for the Final ID, Jet pack and hostile takeover I feel missed the point of my post. But applying the 80-20 rule I think it turned out OK.

I agree with Marcie on the addiction. We are all addicted to things. Whether we admit or not is another story.

Here is a challenging idea:
Unless we go to bed starving it's physically impossible for us to be hungry right when we get up, but every day people start their day with what they call " the most important meal of the day" because they were told. (in most cases by their parents.... who were misinformed about many many things.)

Detach yourself from the equation and think about it, and you will see the concept of breakfast right after you get up is largely out of a habit/conditioning . If you recognize this, and tomorrow morning get up and look for something to eat. This is addiction. Not different than an alcoholic looking for the first drink of the day.

OK OK OK This is all another post in another forum.

[manifold]

What is the focus of this thread? Is it to give Turk the opportunity to preach and/or condescend to us all? I wish I could extract one reasonable or helpful thought from this thread but it seems that all you are doing is adding to the noise.