Hello everybody! Apprenticeship offer

[birdman]

Hello everybody!!

fantastic forum. was recommended the 4hww by a really great friend of mine called jamie smart at http://www.saladltd.co.uk/ and have come back to it for the second time with a HUGELY renewed determination. seeing the way his life works, how he is a complete master of his own destiny is one of my main inspirations.

my life has been steadily changing over the past few years, reading the book was like coming home his alternative ways of seeing things etc.

Muse creation is what i'm really focused on at the moment. currently have less responsibilities in my life, have just moved back home work a fairly decent telesales job selling high end computer software. i genuinly cannot muster the enthusiasm for any of it, partly due to my nature, hugely due to this book and others.

i am brand new to website creation, even though i sell web software and graphics software on a regular basis lol. as long as i can sound like a pro ;).

I am currently looking into developing a product, affiliate marketing or dropship selling for my muse. still looking into all options.

first question: where else can i find out more a bit more in depth about muse creation 4hww style. everywhere i look on the internet it's a company selling their own muse, wouldn't mind investing a bit of money into one if somebody here can recommend it as fully comprehensive and high quality and worth the money.

secondly: i have a bit of an idea. i would love to meet up with someone in the UK, particularly the midlands area (i currently live in nottingham), who is sucessful to a degree with some form of automated muse on the web. you could call it a mentorship. where i can see somebody doing it and running it and learn directly off them. anything from website creation to muse creation to marketing etc.

what i would offer in return is to work for free. you could consider me an english VA, except that i'm not virtual. teach me and i will replicate what you do for you, take orders and work hard doing most of it for you for free. what i would get would be the knowledge and experience and expertise in exchange.

I know eventually i will master this on my own, but i'm impatient about this and want to learn as fast and effectively as possible, not waste away any more of my life in 9-5's.

also if anybody in the area in my position starting up would like somebody to learn alongisde, to discuss and bounce ideas alongside and general mentorship and accountability let me know.

feel free to add me to facebook anybody as well so you can check i'm not a wierdo or anything, just send me a message when you add me so i know that you're not a random/wierd person either. hope i don't regret this one lol. would love to get in touch with any budding new rich lifestyle designers regardless!! i think it's important to have likeminded people around you in your life to give encouragement and support.



finally, what do you guys think of this?

http://www.continuityworkshop.com/august09.php

was recomended to me from a friend who was recomended from a friend.

[kamakiri]

Your exuberance is great, but I can't stress the importance of LD enough for you. You said yourself that you were impatient, focused on the moment, good at BS, and lack focus. Yes it sounds harsh, but a reality call today will help you join the NR 80 times faster.

Having a muse will not solve any of your current problems. If you came to yourself with a cover letter like the one you posted here, would you hire yourself?

You didn't inspire any confidence in your ability to produce results. You didn't even proofread your post did you? Sure someone might think, "hey, a free VA.", but surely the ones you are targeting will be less than interested.

It is very hard work getting a quality mentor. Soap box preachers are all over, they come and go here all the time, but have no substance. Steve Pavliva does a much better job of describing exactly what I am talking about in his recent blog posts about How to Network with Busy People (http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/07/how-to-network-with-busy-people/).

I would also like to say, don't come back and tell me I don't understand. In the years I have been here, literally hundreds of people have come in, excited about the book, and ready to go, only to lose that steam, and disappear after a few disappointing weeks when muse income tops out at a big zilch.

I want you to succeed here. Take that energy, focus on LD for 2 months. Come back to the forum with a completed TMI, do some fear-setting, get on a low info diet, do anything from the book that is not muse related. Not only will success come faster, you will be able to enjoy it more once you get there.

[sadu]

Hi Birdman,

I think I largely fit into the category you are looking for, however as Kamakiri has mentioned I don't think the sort of person you want is interested in free labour - it doesn't sound like the basis of a good long term relationship, and having the responsibility of ongoing mentorship takes time out of the day etc.

However, I'm in London for August - if you are heading down this way I'd be happy to meet up for a couple of hours and show you what I do in a bit of detail. Explain what has and what hasn't worked, and show you some of my processes etc.

I'm not Steve Pavlina, but I'm also not another LD wannabe either - I had profitable muses in place before I read 4HWW and found the book most useful for eliminating / automating. I won't pretend that my muses are amazing or that I'm super-successful etc, but I'm quietly doing my thing and are currently 6 months into an 8 month mini-retirement around Europe which is pretty cool.

[birdman]

Thanks for the responses guys :)

Kamakiri:

Taken on board your good points, thanks. I definately didn't put myself in the most positive of lights.

In terms of being impatient, I meant impatient with my current job. Due to long distance travel and high pressure demands of the job it taken up a hell of a lot of time and energy for me. I definately will wait it out if I need to but I would much prefer to be directing much more of my energy into something a lot more productive and on track with my goals and dreams, rather than wasting so much time on a 9-5. I really want to get to place of not depending on a 9-5 to get by ok.

I am currently looking into moving into a part time job so I can focus more of my energy on these areas.

In terms of being a bullshit artist, what I meant by sounding like a pro is that we sell a huge wide range of pro computer software. Nobody in that job could possibly know everything about everything, we often answer questions and our more in-depth product knowledge on the spot reading off a specially designed intuitive infonet for employees. The technical information I'm reading back to the customers has to come from a place of confidence and unflappability, otherwise they won't have faith in what I am saying. We are actually offering extensive trial periods to our customers, so it's not like I'm extorting money off of them.

Thanks for the advice. I am going to go back and re-read the book again and re-set my dreamline and TMI as the original one is a bit outdated now.

In terms of fear setting, I do that on a daily basis anyway and have done so for the past few years. I have made money in the past coaching guys on how to get past their fears of talking to woman and creating an authentic connection with them. I taught them by helping them to face and master their fears by doing what they were afraid of. I was teaching coming from a place of having been through it and having done it myself.

I would never want people to help or mentor me if it was a drag or a hassle for them. I fully appreciate that their time is their own, I was trying to find a way to offer value back. In hindsight it may well have been a silly idea.

I've found it helpfull in the past to have like-minded individuals on the same path as you to help encourage, motivate and hold accountable when I'm letting myself down or making excuses. Whether as a mentor or as a friend.


Sadu:

Many many thanks for your kind offer :).

"I'd be happy to meet up for a couple of hours and show you what I do in a bit of detail. Explain what has and what hasn't worked, and show you some of my processes etc."

that pretty much sums up the main 80% of what would really help me.

I'm not looking for a Steve Pavlina, just somebody that makes a fair amount of passive income off of this who can show me what you mentioned up there. A behind the scenes look, if you will.

I will PM you.

[kamakiri]

I would also like to say, don't come back and tell me I don't understand...

This is the only instruction I left. What I got was essentially that. A bunch "in terms of" excuses about how what you wrote meant something other than what you wrote.

I need to quote a recent blog post from Ryan Holiday (http://www.ryanholiday.net/archives/like_an_addict.phtml) here in a response to a nearly identical situation:

people ... lack the ability to understand anything outside their own reality, that there is some 'way' to behave other than whatever they feel like. This is different than a malignant narcissist who manipulates others to to be like them, this almost a wide-eyed innocence, disbelief that other people don't act like they do.

If you want a 'happy happy day' environment, go to an MLM convention. If you want to face reality, then you need to listen to people. No one here said that your idea was 'silly'. The method stunk, it was written poorly, and you come off looking like an incompetent. I didn't want excuses, I know what I meant. Quit digging yourself deeper in the hole.

[DaveinHackensack]

Steve Pavliva does a much better job of describing exactly what I am talking about in his recent blog posts about How to Network with Busy People (http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2009/07/how-to-network-with-busy-people/).


I hadn't heard of him before, and I learned something useful after just a few minutes reading his site.