*- High School Never Ends -* D - E - A - L ?

[bounceback_tigger]

Hi there, I'm a first timer on here! :D

bckground.
My older brother recommended me "4HWW", i've read it once (plan on reading it a couple more times :p). And it's really amazing. >:]

I hope to use it when I go to college and get a job.

Compared to rest of you guys out there, I might be too young...but why start
following "4HWW" when i'm 30? When i could start now!

help/yelp.
I'm a high-schooler currently.
And i was wondering...

"4HWW. Wish that could happen. But How...HOW are you suppose to integrate the 4HWW into High School Life?" :confused:

In the beginning of the year I felt as if the whole world would topple over me...and i had trouble with "time management" (not that you SHOULD time manage in the first time).

I want more time to do things i enjoy and appreciate in life.
rather than stay up till 12 in the morning working on an essay!

other.
(i'll add more info if needed later on~!) :cool:

~Thanks in advance!
All advice/experience is helpful.

-bounce.back

[AntonTheKhan]

Oh god one more of these and i will shoot myself.
Can't you just enjoy your life and not take this book so seriously.
I mean you can buy term papers online for $20 if thats your biggest problem.
Enjoy your highschool experience because it only lasts once.
College is different, you can go to college when you are 50.

Hi there, I'm a first timer on here! :D

bckground.
My older brother recommended me "4HWW", i've read it once (plan on reading it a couple more times :p). And it's really amazing. >:]

I hope to use it when I go to college and get a job.

Compared to rest of you guys out there, I might be too young...but why start
following "4HWW" when i'm 30? When i could start now!

help/yelp.
I'm a high-schooler currently.
And i was wondering...

"4HWW. Wish that could happen. But How...HOW are you suppose to integrate the 4HWW into High School Life?" :confused:

In the beginning of the year I felt as if the whole world would topple over me...and i had trouble with "time management" (not that you SHOULD time manage in the first time).

I want more time to do things i enjoy and appreciate in life.
rather than stay up till 12 in the morning working on an essay!

other.
(i'll add more info if needed later on~!) :cool:

~Thanks in advance!
All advice/experience is helpful.

-bounce.back

[padma]

Do you think life gets easier and you'll have more time after High School?

The answer is no, your responsibilities will probably double and you'll find yourself wondering where all your time went. Prioritize and then pace yourself.

[webgal]

I mean you can buy term papers online for $20 if thats your biggest problem.


What? Anton, take that back. That is horrible advice. The part about enjoying your life now is not, though.

I think too many see the book as a conduit to forgo hard work. It's not that. I don't think it's the kind of thing you dive into in high school. So, no. You don't apply it to a high school life. But you can focus your attention more efficiently when you do study so you have more time for fun.

[AntonTheKhan]

The whole point of the book is to free up enough time to do the things that you truly enjoy and that are great experiences. Last i remeber when in high school I used to get around 4 months of free time each year. So to the original poster - what have you planned to do during your summer break which is around the corner?
Are you doing anything adventorous, or are you going with your parents to Dysney World? Ya know what I mean?
What? Anton, take that back. That is horrible advice. The part about enjoying your life now is not, though.

I think too many see the book as a conduit to forgo hard work. It's not that. I don't think it's the kind of thing you dive into in high school. So, no. You don't apply it to a high school life. But you can focus your attention more efficiently when you do study so you have more time for fun.

[webgal]

Yeah. Enjoy summer's off while you can. A friend's daughter who is a senior went to Greece last year on a shoestring budget.

[storm33229]

@bounceback_tigger:
Life after high school doesn't get easier, and having more time doesn't mean more time well spent.

My advice to you is to learn all you can, have as much fun as possible and try new things.

This helps you with generating a solid muse, and creating a solid business model to fit that muse. Go to college for something you like and I'd try to either major or minor in business.

[GriffCo]

Ok well I kind of followed 4 hour work week in high school if you consider hw work.

I probably did 4 minutes of work every week, while drinking 2-3 days of the week in school. Do I recommend this? No, but it's just an example that it can be done. And I had a 3.65 gpa with college level courses and a really high SAT and ACT score.

[read]

Don't buy your papers online. Seriously. You should see the plagiarism checking websites we teachers now have. They're very cool -- and save us lots of time in trying to find those purchased, plagiarized papers online.

Also, I hate to sound teacher-like, but writing those essays can train you to have clear thinking -- which is more than a little important when it comes to starting a muse, avoiding the time-sucking traps of the typical workplace, and working less.

[bounceback_tigger]

Hey guys,
I really would like to thank you for all your replies. :rolleyes: :D

I understand, that there always is work. But what differentiates it all is the amount of work.

i'm just saying..
There's Got to be an easier/faster way with the same or a bit less quality!

And i'm not saying that i don't enjoy life. :eek:
I do really. I enjoy every little piece and bit of it, every experience, every day, every one.I like high school, and I do know a lot of people think their childhood is the greatest time of they're life.

I do agree with you guys, that life's about having fun and enjoying it, and possibly learning things on the way.

...but how do you get work done faster?
more efficiently and effectively.

I mean here I am, not exactly taking the hardest courses yet...but while I'm here working about... let's say.. 4 hours a night...
When the people around me only take 2... :/

Is there something I missed out on the way to High School that everyone got but not me???

Glad to hear from you all, thanks. :cool:
-bounce.back

p.s - don't worry. i'm not into cheating. ;P and yes. i've got an awesome summer planned ahead of me...planning on having a pretty big party..now if only i had some time to plan it... -____-

[webgal]

I think it just takes people longer to do some things than others. It could be focus. My oldest can cut to the chase and get homework done in one quarter the time his friends do. He has a photographic memory and he digests concepts quickly because he can focus so well. He's an introvert, too.

My youngest is a daydreamer and it takes him longer because of it. He goes on tangents in his mind and focusing is difficult. So I encourage him to limit distractions like IM. TV is not allowed during the week, so that's not a distraction. So focus is just one reason. This is why my youngest is in private school. Classes are smaller and there are fewer distractions.

If you're an auditory learner, put it on an ipod or recorder. If you are reading the book and you're an auditory learner, your brain has to take the time to translate your visual intake to auditory. In other words, you read it, and then you hear it to yourself. If you go directly to an auditory delivery then you digest the info more quickly and you're more apt to remember it. If you are a kinesthetic learner (tactile or hands on), then you need examples and you need to work out concepts in your head.

Some people have learning disabilities. This doesn't mean stupid this means your brain processes information differently so you have to alter your learning style and it often takes longer to learn something. Dyslexia and auditory processing issues are what come to mind here.

Emotional maturity may be another reason. It will take longer for those less emotionally mature. Sometimes.

Some people are just plain faster. But having to work harder at something often pays off down the road. It's like working through any hardship. You usually come out on the winning end as a result but you won't recognize that for some time.

There are ways you can dissect your learning style to see how you might improve. A tutor is one way. You simply need to pay attention to the process as much as the material. In fact, that's what school is about more than the actual material. It's the PROCESS. The process of arriving at a solution with a group. The process of doing well on a test as a result of how you studied.

A guidance counselor is also a good resource. She/He might be able to offer guidance in regard to getting a handle on your learning style and making it more efficient.

Hope something there helps.

[camdengirl]

I'm a little unusual in that I left school very early - mostly because I was utterly bored by it! I found hours and hours were taken up with pointless assemblies, handing out/back homework, going over and over the same things again and again for the slower members of the class and killing time till home time for the teachers! (apologies to any teachers out there - I'm sure you all try and educate your pupils properly and admittedly I was a nightmare to teach! :rolleyes: )

I took a pretty extreme line by quitting and cutting my teaching time down to just 3 hours a week one-on-one tuition and I still managed to pass all my exams with flying colours.

So there is TONS of time in the high school day for you to be doing this, and you are utterly right - WHY WAIT?

Good luck to you! Let us know how you get on?

C.

[Ironwulfsbane]

In response to some of the above threads, they're right, you should enjoy your high school time, don't buy term papers, best years of your life, blah blah blah.

I'm guessing you already knew most of that stuff, right?

I'm in college right now, so maximizing schoolwork results in shorter time is important to me too. Here are some tips that have helped me.

1. Make sure you're doing the hardest work when you're at your sharpest. Tim mentions in the book that he has specific times he likes to do things. Take some notes about your results at different times. When you find those "sweet spot" hours and constantly work in them, you'll be AMAZED at how much easier school work gets done. This will also help you get into some other 4HWW habits.

2. Don't do all of your homework all at once. Go in increments of 20 minutes and take a 5-10 minute break to get a recharge. Get a drink of water, go for a run, eat a snack, whatever, but give your brain a chance to get away from your work. When you come back, it will be SO much easier. Be nice to your brain!

3. Use Tim's 2 hour question theory from the book. If you get a grade lower than what you wanted, prepare a list of questions that will take you a LONG time to get answered, and take it to the grader during their office hours. Explain to the teacher that you HAVE to get a good grade. If they know you'll be back if you get bad grades with SERIOUSLY annoying questions, they'll think twice before giving you less than what you want. Trust me on this one, it REALLY works.

4. Figure out what you would RATHER be doing than homework, and determine to do them after you finish. Play some Xbox, watch "The Simpsons", read a good book, or whatever it is that gets you excited (all three of those work on me). It will give you motivation to get things done faster. Try this trick out for yourself. Once you have something better to do, homework and studying can go a lot quicker.

5. Pay close attention to what Webgal said about learning styles. For example, I'm an EXTREME kinesthetic learner, and since I figured that out, I've changed a lot of my study habits. A lot of my studying involves drawing diagrams, using models, working things out in my head, or actually applying the learning, where I usually fail a few times in the process, then figure it out. It makes for some great stories.

6. Learn to Speed Read - If you can get GOOD at speed reading and build up your retention (not just skimming)
you'll be able to read a book in a matter of a night or two (got me through English class;)). There are some excellent courses out there. Check your library too, that's where I found the one I used.

Hope these help.

[bounceback_tigger]

That's amazing, thanks guys for your help :).

Especially iron and webgal. I'll keep those things in mind.

I guess first I'll have to figure out what kind of a learner I am.
And then find a way to test my needs during the Summer. :confused:
Summer has started so I guess I'll prepare myself for Sophomore year by reading 4 hr work week a couple more times. :o

I'll keep you guys updated, if i can!
Thanks again for your help :].

-bounce.back

P.S- i don't know if this can help clarify anything...but..

I excel more at things like...
p.e, music, english (but not drawing or building)

While I do worse in things like...
math, science, learning a second language

P.S.S- do you guys listen to music while doinig HW? does it seem to help???

[badhank]

I mean you can buy term papers online for $20 if thats your biggest problem.


I loled, in my high-school day, "internets" was a new concept and none of the teachers knew too much about it. Every essay i used for 4 years came from there, and most presentations too. This was b4 pay sites took over, there were still may free sites, sorted by category and grade received, and you were free to contribute. Those were the days.

[newday25k]

I'd just like to address this comment....


I mean here I am, not exactly taking the hardest courses yet...but while I'm here working about... let's say.. 4 hours a night...
When the people around me only take 2... :/
.[/I]


So, basically, what I am hearing is, "Why am I spending more time on homework , 4 hrs, than my friends/fellow students who are only spending 2?"


a) Are you sure they are only spending 2 hrs? People like to embellish how smart they are by saying how little time it takes for them to complete given tasks... Don't necessarily believe them, unless you are doing work together and they are significantly faster (and better, ie., getting better grades) than you. i.e., don't compare yourself to them based solely on what they claim..

b) Even if they are doing work faster than you, who cares? The intent of school is to learn, not to be done first. I am an excellent test taker. In school, I would finish tests first and get the best grades and didn't have to study that much to get there. But I was always envious of one of my good friends, in my same major, who didn't finish tests first and who didn't always get good grades.. WHY? Because she remembered stuff long past the test. Long past the time I had forgotten the material.. The point is, school is for you to learn your strengths, along with the material that will prepare you to apply whatever tips and tricks you learn along the way. Don't worry so much about how efficient you are right now... just learn who you are, how you learn, and what types of things excite you when you are learning..

c)If you do find that you are not absorbing material as fast as you would like, are there tutors or additional training that you can utilize, either through the school or privately?

d) Be kind to yourself. That doesn't mean don't take chances or be a slacker.. It means, allow yourself the calmness and the space to see opportunities without self-inflicted pressure. Don't beat yourself up if you're not fast enough, or smart enough or whatever enough... if you can learn that in high school, you are way ahead of the game, because you will develop the presence of mind that is inherent in any guru or master who has written (or not) a book that helps the rest of us attain our goals in life.


e) Learn what you can and have as many meaningful experiences that you can before you are 21. Life gets tough after that--you've heard that a thousand times.... however, that won't become real for you until you experience it, and if you're lucky you will bypass this phase.... For what it is worth, it took me until around 30 to get used to the "reality" of being an adult and having to captain my own ship...


You're on the right track, just make sure you don't lose sight of yourself and what matters to you along the way.

namaste~nd25k

[JFrenzel]

Good post,


I would push 100% on any of your ideas. Now is the time to make it happen. I pushed myself when I was 20 and thankfully never went back to my old job. Really focus on what you want and be "unrealistic" This is the best time to do this.

Jose

[ephigy]

I never did any homework but listened in class and would get a passing grade. I thought since I gave my whole day to school, there's no way in hell I'm going to give away my evenings on top of that! But that's just me :D

Start experimenting now! You're and have a good mushy brain that can learn fast. Plus you probably don't have to worry about putting food on the table and paying rent. Start experimenting now! Open a cafepress store and write funny quotes to print on T-shirts. You're in an age group that spends a lot of money (their parent's) so you should be able to pick up some ideas. I would try various methods of automating revenue see what works. It's the time to make mistakes, so try a lot of stuff out. Start experimenting now!

[Revv23]

Ahh high school fun, I don't think I even had a notebook for my last two years of it.

Remember think smarter not harder.

I passsed alot of tests by asking a friend to glance over his study sheet just a few minutes before a test. Sure it pisses em off but give em a beer later or take him out for lunch and your cool.

It's like how tim says in the book about how he would read a book months ahead of time and then need to re-read it. That's how I feel about studying. I'm not going to bother until right before the exam because I am going to study right before the exam anyways.

Obviously this doesn't work for everyone and for larger exams it could be a bit different but thats how I did it. Homework I usually didn't bother with unless it was more then 10% of my grade, I was fine getting a score in the 80%-90% range in exchange for having 100% free time after school everyday.